Posts by joey jojo

A lot of the outdoor conventions were blistering hot, humid or raining and little shelter. And later, as others have pointed out, not even food service to look forward to.

I remember eating warm, soggy tuna sandwiches at the Sydney International convention in 2003 thinking, that's it, this is the last time. Heat, rain, bad food, no time to catch up with any friends because the venue was so crowded and I remember nothing of the program.

And yes, we were expected to carry those leftover sandwiches, drinks and rubbish on trains, buses etc back to our accommodation an hour away. That when I realised that the organisation does not care about its members.

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

joey jojo

Thanks Pete, I probably should have been clearer. I was looking for a specific topic based around that scripture. The article you linked was great though.

Its interesting that when searching for 'child sacrifice' on the forum, lots of hits for blood transfusions come up. Its a bit chilling to think that worldy government intervention was needed to stop the JW version of child sacrifice in modern times.

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

joey jojo

Pete, any chance you can post a link that discusses this verse pls? My search skills clearly suck.

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

joey jojo

truthlover123
when they Israelites came out of egypt, God stated that the firstborn males and animals were to be dedicated to him, not sacrificed. Nations around were sacrificing to false gods one named Molech

Regarding Molech, was Jehovah unhappy because the children were being sacrificed - or that they werent being sacrificed to him exclusively?

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

joey jojo

Im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first. I recently came across Exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require Israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.

I searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so I thought Id start one and see what you guys think. Im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but I cant find it.

Anyway, Exodus 22:29 says:

You shall not delay to offer from the fulness [sic] of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me. (RSV)

When reading online forums like quora, reddit etc- there are a lot of apologists, including JW's that are doing their white knight duty to defend this verse. Its always funny to see jw's copying and pasting from wt literature without even really taking a deeper look at the subject.

However, the verse seems to clearly put firstborn humans into the same category of sacrifice as first harvest produce and firstborn animals. They must be sacrificed to god.

The arguments as to what this verse actually means seem to revolve around the definition of what is a sacrifice (death), and what is a redemption - or something that dies in place of something else. But then that begs the questiion, if something isnt redeemed, must it then die as intended? If it wasnt for the redemption, would god expect it as a sacrifice?

A verse at Ezekiel 20:25-26 is often cited alongside the Exodus verse, which seems to validate the that the Israelites were, in fact, required to sacrifice their firstborn. It says:

I also gave them bad laws,
Laws that were not good
and rules by which they could not live.
When they set aside the first issue of every womb
I defiled them by their very gifts—
that I might render them desolate,
that they might know that I am Yhwh.

In this bizarre scripture, god is admitting to designing bad laws just to 'stick it' to the israelites. I am interested to hear what the brains trust here has to say.

Here is a good article about this topic:

https://www.thetorah.com/article/giving-your-firstborn-son-to-god

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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

by KerryKing in

jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

possibly for dairy products only?

joey jojo

Blondie, really good points. Try telling someone that humans only started eating meat sometime around 2500 BCE without mentioning the flood.

I would suspect that even the average JW would find it hard to believe.

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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

by KerryKing in

jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

possibly for dairy products only?

joey jojo

If you believe the garden of eden was a real place - was it a peaceful place where all creation lived in harmony?

Did lions have big teeth so that when they smiled at the antelopes they would appear friendlier?